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chillsam · Senior Member

RE: திரித்துவத்தை நம்பும் கோமாளிகளுக்கு...

bereans · Moderator

//ஏன் கோமாளி என்று இகழ வேண்டும்..? //

நாங்கள் கோமாளிகள் என்று ஒருவரை தனிப்பட்ட முறையில் சொல்லுவது கிடையாது, கருத்திற்கு மட்டுமே!! ஆகவே தான் திரித்துவத்தை நம்பும் கோமாளிகள்!!

//எனவே விலகிச் செல்லுவோர் ஓடுகாலிகளோ கோழைகளோ இல்லையல்லவா..?//

சாட்சியங்களை அழித்து விட்டு ஓடிப்போவோருக்கும், விலகி அல்லது மறைந்து போவதற்கு வித்தியாசம் இருப்பதை தமிழ் தெரிந்தவர்கள் ஒப்புக்கொள்வார்கள்!!

Benedict · Newbie

Dear brothers,

If anyone who does not believe, The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit, he is not a believer. John 1:1, John 1:14 and John 16:7 onwards shows the clear cut of the Trinity God. Muslim also has one God Allah but they are not Christians. It seems you are a Jehovah witness. I will not accept you as a Christian.

Jesus asked his disciple to give the baptism in the name of the Father, son and the Holy spirit(Matt 28:19). What is the meaning of it. Meditate the Word of God in deep, God will reveal you every thing and open your inner eyes. Do not bluff around and become a fool yourselves.

-- Edited by Benedict on Saturday 15th of October 2011 10:06:35 AM

-- Edited by Benedict on Saturday 15th of October 2011 10:08:51 AM

bereans · Moderator

Dear Dr,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (New International Version (NIV))

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.(New International Version (NIV))

John 16:7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. (New International Version (NIV))

These verses you refered to me!! Kindly meditate these verses and tell me do you really find a trinity or a triune God in these verses!!

I am sorry to say that you may be elder in age, but not in experience!! Don't be in haste to conclude us as Jehovah Witness!! I think you don't know Jehovah Witness too!!

If three are named, the Father (Jehovah God), Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit (without name) in a single verse, you conclude it as Trinity!! Funny!!

If Christ told you to give baptism in the NAME of the three, what name have you kept for Holy Spirit??

The Bible says to come out of the Babylon and we have come out; and when God calls you out, please follow!! I suppose, because you tell that Muslims believe in one God and are not Christians and so Hindus and so many other religions follow Trinity, triune system of God, and you can call them Christians!!

Greetings

bereans · Moderator

Dr Benedict,

I hope you have deeply meditated the word of God!! Given by your three verses and the baptism verse in Mathew 28, I would like you to prove Trinity, triune God, coequality etc...!!

The court is yours Dr. Please go ahead!

chillsam · Senior Member

bereans wrote:
//ஏன் கோமாளி என்று இகழ வேண்டும்..? //

நாங்கள் கோமாளிகள் என்று ஒருவரை தனிப்பட்ட முறையில் சொல்லுவது கிடையாது, கருத்திற்கு மட்டுமே!! ஆகவே தான் திரித்துவத்தை நம்பும் கோமாளிகள்!!

அப்படியானால் திரித்துவத்தை நம்பாதவர்களை நாங்கள் ஏமாளிகள் என்று சொல்லலாமா..? ஒருவர் ஒருவருக்கு பட்டப்பெயர் சூட்டினால் எதிர்தரப்பினரும் பதிலுக்கு பட்டப்பெயர் சூட்டுவது பள்ளிபருவத்திலிருந்தே வருவதுதானே...நான் கோணமூக்கு என்றால் நீ நெட்ட கொக்கு என்பான்,பக்கத்து கிளாஸ் பையன்..! எனவே கருத்துக்கு கருத்து மட்டுமே பதிலாகும்.

bereans wrote:
//எனவே விலகிச் செல்லுவோர் ஓடுகாலிகளோ கோழைகளோ இல்லையல்லவா..?//

சாட்சியங்களை அழித்து விட்டு ஓடிப்போவோருக்கும், விலகி அல்லது மறைந்து போவதற்கு வித்தியாசம் இருப்பதை தமிழ் தெரிந்தவர்கள் ஒப்புக்கொள்வார்கள்!!

தடயத்தை அழித்துவிட்டு செல்லுவோர் ஓடுகாலிகளோ பேடிகளோ அல்ல... கிரிமினல்கள்..! அவ்வாறு நான் இந்த தளத்தை ஹாக் செய்து இங்கேயுள்ள படைப்புகளுக்கு சேதாரம் உண்டாக்கியிருந்தாலே தவறு;நான் இரவும் பகலும் பாடுபட்டு எழுதியுள்ள என்னுடைய எழுத்துக்களை அழிப்பதற்கும் (edit or delete) ஏன் என்னுடைய கணக்கை நீக்கிக்கொள்ளுவதற்கும் இந்த தளத்திலேயே வாய்ப்பு தரப்பட்டுள்ளது;

எனவே மனம்நொந்து வருத்தத்துடன் விலகிச்செல்லுவோரை மேலும் துன்புறுத்தும்வண்ணமாக ஓடுகாலி என்றும் பேடி என்றும் இகழுவது சமாதானம் விரும்புவோரின் செயலாக இருக்கமுடியாது.அரசாங்கத்துக்கு பலத்த சேதாரங்களை ஏற்படுத்தும் தீவிரவாதிகளிடமே அரசு நிதானமாக பேச்சுவார்த்தை நடத்தும்போது நண்பர்கள் தளத்தில்- அதுவும் கிறிஸ்தவர்கள் என்று சொல்லிக்கொள்ளுவோர் தளத்தில் இது நியாயமா..?

Christopher Praveen Kumar · Newbie

Br. Benedict,

The Bible tells us that there will be a time when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
"The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim. 4:3, 4, NIV)

What is Trinity? Well, it does differ from person to person. There is no unambiguous theory. However, Wayne A. Grudem, a theologian, defines Trinity as “We may define the doctrine of the Trinity as follows: God eternally exists as three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and each person is fully God, and there is one God.” (Systematic Theology, Wayne Grudem, p. 226)

The abovementioned theory does not have any Biblical support. It is just a man-made theory with human knowledge. The Bible does not teach Trinity either in Old Testament or in New Testament.

The theme of the Trinitarian doctrine is the equality between God, the Father and Jesus Christ, both believed to be one person, coexisting. This argument is unscriptural. Let's consider a few verses which don't support this statement.

"And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). Mark 15:34

"The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands." John 3:35.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does." John 5:18, 19.

"Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son." John 5:22

"So Jesus said, When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." John 8:28.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:18.

“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." John 14:28.

"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me." John 8:42.

Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." John 20:17.

"Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God" John 13:3.

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." John 1:18.

These are the verses from the writings of Apostle John and Mark.

Now let us consider what Apostle Paul says and how he views Jesus Christ and God, the Father.

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:16.

"Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Cor 1:3

"The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying." 2 Cor 11:31

"I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better." Ephesians 1:17

Therefore, the aforementioned verses clearly say that God, the Father and Lord Jesus Christ are not either equal or co-existent. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ has a God for himself and He is God the Father!

Chris

bereans · Moderator

A Good Start Br Chris!! Keep yourself active in this Forum!!